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    Posted: 10 Nov 2015 at 2:12pm
I find it hard to believe that people would get into an uproar over Starbuck's decision to go with a plain red cup for the Christmas holidays. Sure they look like a college house party beer'ed up Solo but for people to make such a fuss over a cup seems a bit over the top.

Does the friggin' thing hold your overpriced latte and cappuccino? Fine. Move along.

On the other side of the spectrum, those fugly interstellar space aged mall decorations did need to go. It looked the set of the Jetson's.

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The pastor who was complaining about this revealed his cards yesterday on CNN. He claimed Obama was pretending to be a Christian. The other panelist caught right on to that! I'd take whatever this guy says with a HUGE grain of salt!

OTOH the cups still look festive with the red and green color scheme so I don't see any problem with that!
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I support the decision to change the cups, but not the reason... political correctness. Starbucks (and I'm guessing here, I haven't read any official statements) most likely figured they'd better be proactive in this age of whiners, and take any religion-specific images off their cups. Don't want the other religions getting their collective pants in a wad.

As far as the pastor is concerned, he can go take a flying leap of faith and go see his maker. God will let him draw any "religious" symbols on his cup that he wants. The guy just wants his 15 seconds... and he's getting it. Starbucks didn't make the cups blue and put menorahs or ears of corn or unity cups on them. The fact that they stuck with red is a statement in and of itself.

Hey, I didn't like pink ribbons and references to Oprah Winfrey on my cups last summer, but I didn't go on some crusade. It's a f**king cup. If it means that much to you, buy one of the reusable Holiday cups and use that. Maybe one with snowflakes on it, because we all know that Baby Jesus just loved him some snowflakes. Or a pine tree. Because nothing says "Christian" like the universal symbol of automotive air freshness.
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Originally posted by Darthhillbilly Darthhillbilly wrote:

Hey, I didn't like pink ribbons and references to Oprah Winfrey on my cups last summer, but I didn't go on some crusade. It's a f**king cup. If it means that much to you, buy one of the reusable Holiday cups and use that. Maybe one with snowflakes on it, because we all know that Baby Jesus just loved him some snowflakes. Or a pine tree. Because nothing says "Christian" like the universal symbol of automotive air freshness.


Darth - this made me LOL!

And when, pray tell, did snowflakes become a symbol of Christmas? Or snowmen?
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I love how Christians love to claim people are taking Christ out of a holiday that's 97% pagan.

Weirdly, though, I've pretty much only heard this one psycho nutjob rant about it (Go look up any other video he's done...it's hilarious, and then depressing), maybe a few rogue twitter posts used as reference, but other than that, I've seen more articles about how it's a 'scandal' than people actually responding to it like a scandal.
 
And, to be fair, I imagine since starbucks is spread over the entire planet, the plain red cup is cheap to produce, but also internationally acceptable for places that don't get snow or all the 'wintertime tradition', and also for the southern Hemisphere who basically are going through the hell of summer during Christmastime.
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Oh look, "The Donald" has weighed in on the story...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/trump-suggests-starbucks-boycott-35088103

...suggesting that maybe Starbucks should be boycotted.

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Originally posted by msmadz msmadz wrote:

Originally posted by Darthhillbilly Darthhillbilly wrote:

Hey, I didn't like pink ribbons and references to Oprah Winfrey on my cups last summer, but I didn't go on some crusade. It's a f**king cup. If it means that much to you, buy one of the reusable Holiday cups and use that. Maybe one with snowflakes on it, because we all know that Baby Jesus just loved him some snowflakes. Or a pine tree. Because nothing says "Christian" like the universal symbol of automotive air freshness.


Darth - this made me LOL!

And when, pray tell, did snowflakes become a symbol of Christmas? Or snowmen?

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Well, as I said, Baby Jesus loved him some snow flakes, so it stands to reason that if you packed a bunch of snow flakes into balls and stacked them, he'd love that too. That's probably why he miracled up that old top hat.

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Originally posted by msmadz msmadz wrote:

I find it hard to believe that people would get into an uproar over Starbuck's decision to go with a plain red cup for the Christmas holidays. Sure they look like a college house party beer'ed up Solo but for people to make such a fuss over a cup seems a bit over the top.

Does the friggin' thing hold your overpriced latte and cappuccino? Fine. Move along.

On the other side of the spectrum, those fugly interstellar space aged mall decorations did need to go. It looked the set of the Jetson's.

What's your opinion? Has the world gone crazy?
I'm so excited that cancer has been cured, an unlimited no cost clean energy source has been discovered, and world peace has been achieved so we can now deal with Starbuck's non-holiday themed holiday cups. When I read the first article I seriously thought it was sarcasm ala "The Onion"! One of the religious lunatic fringe who typically rant about commercialism removing Christ from Christmas now complaining about the lack of commercial symbols on a coffee cup? The world has officially gone BAT S**T CRAZY!!! 
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ConfusedWhy can't Starbuck's save me some trouble an' sell me some XMAS cards while I'm guzzling caffine?
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Dammit, now I feel like I missed out on years of opportunity.

Think about it... Holiday cheer scrawled out on the inside of a split and flattened out festive paper cup. It's pretty. It's personal. It smells like coffee and white chocolate.

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White chocolate doesn't smell like anything - you're just being all XMAS-y and flashing your spirit. I'm thinkin' of telling on you because I bet you can get arrested for doing that.
 
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Ok, I'm not even going to ask how you know that it's ghostly and white when I flash, but I will say that white chocolate smells like Christmas snow and peace and joy...

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I didn't even know this was a big deal until I did a little research.
 
People are upset about this??
I am probably the only person here who has not been to Starbucks.
I don't need that fancy, overpriced stuff.
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My wallet gets lighter just walking near a starbucks - I haven't been in one for YEARS. Their prices are absurd.
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Originally posted by Ad nauseous Ad nauseous wrote:

The pastor who was complaining about this revealed his cards yesterday on CNN. He claimed Obama was pretending to be a Christian. The other panelist caught right on to that! I'd take whatever this guy says with a HUGE grain of salt!

 
I'd have to agree with him on that one.
 
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I'd have to agree with him on that one.

Suuuure, Obama's a Christian.  LOL



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Do you really think he's a Christian?
 
I don't even think he likes Christians.  He's never once mentioned ISIS' targeting of Christians.  The closest he's ever gotten is when, in response to a video of a Christian being burned alive, he compared Christianity to ISIS.  He's been much more concerned with Islamophobia. 
 
Sorry, not buying his supposed Christianity.  Never did.  I don't buy it with Trump, either.  Neither do I think you do.  But I think with Obama, there's an actual dislike of Christianity, coupled with some rather odd simpatico with Islam.
 
 
 
 
 
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I bet if you put that smooth, macchiato-colored POTUS in a festively decorated red cup he'd look pretty Christian.
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Well, he's a Christian that's actually humane, so I get why it's a bit of a mind-f**k.

If someone says they're of a certain religion, and go to any sort of length to practice it...Does it really matter if they're the extremist Westboro style christian, or the mid-road one who accepts scientific findings instead of condemning them as wars on Christianity, or even just the person whose full extent of their religious actions is going to church on the big holidays and chequing the right box on forms? None of this ridiculous "No True Scotsman" style of saying someone can't be a christian because they aren't crazy enough, devout enough, or evil enough.

That said and done, any atheist president we get would most likely be closeted deeply just to get anywhere in his career.
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Do you really think he's a Christian?
I don't even think he likes Christians.  He's never once mentioned ISIS' targeting of Christians.  The closest he's ever gotten is when, in response to a video of a Christian being burned alive, he compared Christianity to ISIS.  He's been much more concerned with Islamophobia. 
Sorry, not buying his supposed Christianity.  Never did.  I don't buy it with Trump, either.  Neither do I think you do.  But I think with Obama, there's an actual dislike of Christianity, coupled with some rather odd simpatico with Islam.


All that adds up to a whole lot of nothing, and it matters even less.

Because it doesn't matter, I just don't care.

AFAIC, he's about as Christian as every other politician.

Christians and Christanity are becoming less and less relevant in society anyway.








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Well, he's a Christian that's actually humane, so I get why it's a bit of a mind-f**k.

If someone says they're of a certain religion, and go to any sort of length to practice it...Does it really matter if they're the extremist Westboro style christian, or the mid-road one who accepts scientific findings instead of condemning them as wars on Christianity, or even just the person whose full extent of their religious actions is going to church on the big holidays and chequing the right box on forms? None of this ridiculous "No True Scotsman" style of saying someone can't be a christian because they aren't crazy enough, devout enough, or evil enough.

That said and done, any atheist president we get would most likely be closeted deeply just to get anywhere in his career.
 
I never said he had to be an extremist Christian to be a Christian.  Obama has never come across as one of any sort.  That's fine.  I'd rather he come out as an atheist.  I was just saying that the pastor Ad Nauseous referred to wasn't off the mark in his comment.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

I don't even think he likes Christians.  He's never once mentioned ISIS' targeting of Christians.  The closest he's ever gotten is when, in response to a video of a Christian being burned alive, he compared Christianity to ISIS.  He's been much more concerned with Islamophobia.


Conservatives always oversimplify, especially when they can use it as a convenient way to defame and besmirch Democrats.

IOW, unChristian = unAmerican.

Quote Obama Was Right to Compare Christianity's Violent Past to the Islamic State

Conservative critics are in hysterics thanks to a few short remarks made by President Barack Obama on the subject of Christian history during Thursday’s National Prayer Breakfast. Addressing religiously motivated conflict abroad, Obama said, “Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.”

Naturally, conservatives were displeased with the suggestion that Christianity might be in some sense comparable to contemporary religious terrorism. At RedState, a contributor adduced Obama’s comments as further evidence of the president’s alleged fondness for Islam, while Rush Limbaugh interpreted the remarks as an insult to Christianity and a defense of radical Islam. Former Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore said, “The president’s comments this morning at the prayer breakfast are the most offensive I’ve ever heard a president make in my lifetime,” adding that Obama "has offended every believing Christian in the United States. This goes further to the point that Mr. Obama does not believe in America or the values we all share.”

Critics who viewed Obama’s speech as a bold defense of Islam seem to have missed the segment wherein he labeled the Islamic State a “vicious death cult,” and offered its horrific acts of terrorism as evidence of the evil that can be done in the name of (admittedly distorted) faith. The example of past Christian atrocities was given only to counterbalance the reproach aimed at religiously motivated violence committed outside the Christian world; it was not a stand-alone condemnation, and further, it did not go nearly as far as it could have.

By limiting his criticism of Christian violence to the Crusades and Inquisition, Obama kept his critique of Christian horrors to centuries past. But one need not look back so far to find more recent Christians behaving terribly in the name of Christ. The atrocities of the Bosnian War, including the systematic rape of women and girls, was perpetrated largely by Christians against Muslims; meanwhile, many of the Christian churches of Rwanda were intimately involved in the politicking that produced the genocide of 1994, with some clergy even reported to have participated in the violence.

The degree to which, in retrospect, we are willing to condemn violent perversions of faith often has to do with their proximity to us. Most will now admit, however grudgingly, that the Crusades and Inquisition were efforts to carry out some construal of God’s will, however mistaken and otherwise motivated. With more recent conflicts, such as Bosnia and Rwanda, we are more apt to see Christianity as a single thread in a web of ethnic and political tensions that was ultimately only one cause among the many that ultimately culminated in brutality. And this analysis is probably right.

But it is also probably true of the terrorism perpetrated by ISIS, which has been roundly denounced as contrary to the principles of Islam by a host of Muslim leaders and clerics, most recently after the murder of Jordanian pilot Moaz al-Kasasbeh. Like war crimes and individual acts of brutality committed within the Christian world, the pattern of tensions that has produced ISIS, in all its unthinkable cruelty, seems to be broader and deeper than its self-proclaimed religious convictions. For those not searching for a source of personal offense, this is the only point Obama’s remarks on the religious violence enacted by Christians really conveys.

And it is, at last, a hopeful point: If we in the Christian world are capable of owning the monstrosities of our past, identifying their sources as multivalent and contrary to our faith, and holding one another accountable for the behavior we exhibit moving forward, then so are the members of the faiths we live alongside in the world. But accountability requires honesty, and pretending that Christians have never attributed violence to the cause of Christ is a disservice to modern peacemaking and to the victims of the past. Obama was right to take a clear-eyed view of the years that have come before, and to look hopefully to what we can do together as a multi-faith nation in the years to come.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120993/obama-national-prayer-breakfast-compares-christian-violence-isis




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I'd bet that if the stupid cup was clear plastic, there'd still be idiots complaining about it... 

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Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

I don't even think he likes Christians.  He's never once mentioned ISIS' targeting of Christians.  The closest he's ever gotten is when, in response to a video of a Christian being burned alive, he compared Christianity to ISIS.  He's been much more concerned with Islamophobia.


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IOW, unChristian = unAmerican.

Quote Obama Was Right to Compare Christianity's Violent Past to the Islamic State

Conservative critics are in hysterics thanks to a few short remarks made by President Barack Obama on the subject of Christian history during Thursday’s National Prayer Breakfast. Addressing religiously motivated conflict abroad, Obama said, “Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.”

Naturally, conservatives were displeased with the suggestion that Christianity might be in some sense comparable to contemporary religious terrorism. At RedState, a contributor adduced Obama’s comments as further evidence of the president’s alleged fondness for Islam, while Rush Limbaugh interpreted the remarks as an insult to Christianity and a defense of radical Islam. Former Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore said, “The president’s comments this morning at the prayer breakfast are the most offensive I’ve ever heard a president make in my lifetime,” adding that Obama "has offended every believing Christian in the United States. This goes further to the point that Mr. Obama does not believe in America or the values we all share.”

Critics who viewed Obama’s speech as a bold defense of Islam seem to have missed the segment wherein he labeled the Islamic State a “vicious death cult,” and offered its horrific acts of terrorism as evidence of the evil that can be done in the name of (admittedly distorted) faith. The example of past Christian atrocities was given only to counterbalance the reproach aimed at religiously motivated violence committed outside the Christian world; it was not a stand-alone condemnation, and further, it did not go nearly as far as it could have.

By limiting his criticism of Christian violence to the Crusades and Inquisition, Obama kept his critique of Christian horrors to centuries past. But one need not look back so far to find more recent Christians behaving terribly in the name of Christ. The atrocities of the Bosnian War, including the systematic rape of women and girls, was perpetrated largely by Christians against Muslims; meanwhile, many of the Christian churches of Rwanda were intimately involved in the politicking that produced the genocide of 1994, with some clergy even reported to have participated in the violence.

The degree to which, in retrospect, we are willing to condemn violent perversions of faith often has to do with their proximity to us. Most will now admit, however grudgingly, that the Crusades and Inquisition were efforts to carry out some construal of God’s will, however mistaken and otherwise motivated. With more recent conflicts, such as Bosnia and Rwanda, we are more apt to see Christianity as a single thread in a web of ethnic and political tensions that was ultimately only one cause among the many that ultimately culminated in brutality. And this analysis is probably right.

But it is also probably true of the terrorism perpetrated by ISIS, which has been roundly denounced as contrary to the principles of Islam by a host of Muslim leaders and clerics, most recently after the murder of Jordanian pilot Moaz al-Kasasbeh. Like war crimes and individual acts of brutality committed within the Christian world, the pattern of tensions that has produced ISIS, in all its unthinkable cruelty, seems to be broader and deeper than its self-proclaimed religious convictions. For those not searching for a source of personal offense, this is the only point Obama’s remarks on the religious violence enacted by Christians really conveys.

And it is, at last, a hopeful point: If we in the Christian world are capable of owning the monstrosities of our past, identifying their sources as multivalent and contrary to our faith, and holding one another accountable for the behavior we exhibit moving forward, then so are the members of the faiths we live alongside in the world. But accountability requires honesty, and pretending that Christians have never attributed violence to the cause of Christ is a disservice to modern peacemaking and to the victims of the past. Obama was right to take a clear-eyed view of the years that have come before, and to look hopefully to what we can do together as a multi-faith nation in the years to come.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120993/obama-national-prayer-breakfast-compares-christian-violence-isis




 
 
That's nonsense.  It's not that Christians don't know about violence perp'd in the name of Christianity hundreds of years ago.  It's that Obama seemed to use that history to distract from (and practically excuse) the violence that's perp'd by Islam today.  Had he not had a history of denial of the matter---refusing to even call today's terrorism "Islamic terrorism", the above author's words might ring truer.  He doesn't seem to hold Obama to the same standard as he does Christians.  Note that Christians only accept Christianity's history "begrudgingly".  Hell, Obama won't even use "terrorism" and "Muslim" in the same sentence!  So, who's the one in denial here?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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