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    Posted: 30 May 2012 at 11:00pm

Pretty good mini-series on the History Channel. It's one of those shows where you shouldn't miss a part or you will fall behind.
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I started watching it because so many good reviews and because of the actors in it, plus most agree it is about as accurate as it can be under the circs.  I stopped watching it pretty quickly because its too gritty and hard for me to watch--I'm a wimpEmbarrassed  I would recommend it to those who like this type of show though.
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Watched the first one...recorded the second....ok...but was pretty gritty.  No wonder life expectancy was so low in those days.
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So what was the cause of the feud?  One of the families molested the other's pigs...?  LOL
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Originally posted by MrTim MrTim wrote:

So what was the cause of the feud?  One of the families molested the other's pigs...?  LOL
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I started to watch a bit of it, but it was too many episodes in - very interesting, very good from what I saw.
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I decided to watch it because of Costner's participation. I like most of his work. It finished tonight. While I was watching, I used my iPad to bring up that part of the country on Google Earth. Man, that area is a like the Dakota Badlands, except that they've got lots of trees and streams as well.

A modern curse kept coming up in my mind as I watched: A pox on both your houses!
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I'd like to see it sometime & I'm sure it's pretty good, but from that trailer, I can also see that it's got all the usual annoying Hollywood-crap features that I've come to expect out of anything they produce.
 
As usual, all the young people are beautiful/handsome Hollywood "heart throb" types with perfect teeth & cool looking hair etc. etc.
 
Every picture I've ever seen of those kinds of people from that era looked more like this:
 
 
Tough, hard looking, rough-skinned, raw-boned people with bad teeth who got that way by working their asses off outside everyday just to feed themselves & a lack of modern dental hygiene. The women almost universally wore black ankle-length dresses with high necks & usually had their hair pulled back tight in a very prim, conservative style, as was the standard fashion of the time. The men wore baggy, ill-fitting dungaree trousers & overcoats.   
 
This whole romanticized Hollywood image of that era & it's people that is always portrayed in modern films takes away from the authenticity of it for me. Having these rough-hewn, 19th century mountain dwellers looking & acting like 20th century urbanites on a camping trip, with all their soft-skinned beauty & "making love" in ponds like something out of a soft-core porn film, always detracts from my enjoyment.
 
I'd just like to see the people in these kinds of films portrayed a little more authentically rather than like the Hollywood romanticized version of what they'd like them to have been.
 
 
 
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Since 'Dances with Wolves', the more 'modern' westerns have more accurately depicted long hair (and beards) than any productions made earlier than that.(1990). I guess actors don't mind either growing their hair out, or just wearing wigs/fake beards, but they don't want to go on crash diets or sit through extra makeup to look more 'haggard' just for the sake of conforming to history.

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Actually, I rather enjoyed the Bugs Bunny takeoff of the feud....
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Originally posted by Obie Obie wrote:

Since 'Dances with Wolves', the more 'modern' westerns have more accurately depicted long hair (and beards) than any productions made earlier than that.(1990). I guess actors don't mind either growing their hair out, or just wearing wigs/fake beards, but they don't want to go on crash diets or sit through extra makeup to look more 'haggard' just for the sake of conforming to history.

Thing is though, I don't think long hair on men was all that common in the 1800's. I think most guys kept their hair cropped fairly short, although beards did seem to be common.
 
But when you look at photos of the women from that era, they look nothing like the little starlets who get cast in these films nowadays.
 
And the tailoring of the clothes.... look at old pictures & most clothing, especially men's, was baggy & ill-fitting. Boxy-looking, even.
 
 
 
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I've seen pictures of George Custer and Buffalo Bill Cody with long hair, and more recent TV and movie westerns, such as Deadwood, depict quite a few long-haired guys
Bill and George are mentioned in the following quote, which  comes from a site about Oscar Wilde, discussing a visit he made to the US in the 1890s, and the perception of his 'long hair':
In truth, Wilde’s long tresses and outsized hats were not all that eccentric, for Americans had come to associate long hair on men with boldness and adventure. In the West, long hair distinguished masculine men like Wild Bill Hickok, George Armstrong Custer, and Buffalo Bill Cody
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Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

I'd like to see it sometime & I'm sure it's pretty good, but from that trailer, I can also see that it's got all the usual annoying Hollywood-crap features that I've come to expect out of anything they produce.
 
As usual, all the young people are beautiful/handsome Hollywood "heart throb" types with perfect teeth & cool looking hair etc. etc.
 
"Johnsee" probably fits that mold. He was the McCoy son who impregnated a Hatfield daughter that was rather plain looking.
It didn't have the usual "firing from the hip- never run out of ammo" scenes that most Hollywood movies do.
Powers Boothe was easy to pick out, with that voice of his. Took me awhile to pick out Tom Berringer.
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Originally posted by Obie Obie wrote:

I've seen pictures of George Custer and Buffalo Bill Cody with long hair, and more recent TV and movie westerns, such as Deadwood, depict quite a few long-haired guys
Bill and George are mentioned in the following quote, which  comes from a site about Oscar Wilde, discussing a visit he made to the US in the 1890s, and the perception of his 'long hair':
In truth, Wilde’s long tresses and outsized hats were not all that eccentric, for Americans had come to associate long hair on men with boldness and adventure. In the West, long hair distinguished masculine men like Wild Bill Hickok, George Armstrong Custer, and Buffalo Bill Cody
 
Yeah, that's true but I'm not saying no men ever wore their hair long, just that it wasn't as common as these modern films portray them as, which is only because the leading men look better (cooler) with long-ish hair.
 
Most of the famous outlaws & lawmen from back then were kinda gawky, gangly, bony looking guys who grew up on farms & such & looked like someone cut their hair with a knife. Which, in many cases, was probably true. 
 
Look at Billy the Kid, for instance...
 
 
 
As opposed to some of the actors who've played him:
 
   
 
Paul Newman, Kris Kristofferson, Val Kilkmer & last but not least, Emilio Estevez along with the rest of the brat pack as his professionally coiffed & costumed buddies.
 
Put a couple of gals in there for the romance angle & they're sure to be soft, sexy little Malibu beach bunny-kittens dressed up in professionally tailored "rags", too.
 
But I guess none of that is anything new, it just seems to be getting more obvious nowadays.
 
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Jimbo, this is one of the reasons why I have problems with "period" films and TV shows---they depict a very romanticized version of the story and of the era.  And that goes beyond the hair and costumes.  I'd rather see a documentary.
 
 
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Originally posted by PaWolf PaWolf wrote:

I started to watch a bit of it, but it was too many episodes in - very interesting, very good from what I saw.
MissyDWolf is recording all of them, so we'll start from the beginning.
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Jimbo, this is one of the reasons why I have problems with "period" films and TV shows---they depict a very romanticized version of the story and of the era. And that goes beyond the hair and costumes. I'd rather see a documentary.
Well, some stories can be "romanticized" without spoiling the fun of watching them.
 
I suppose you were referring to "Downton Abbey". Sure that was somewhat romanticized, but not a lot. I mean, the manor house it was filmed in really exists & extremely wealthy & well connected people had actually lived in it for centuries.
 
But they weren't trying to make the characters "cool" or "hip". That's what I can't stand. The characters in DA were stodgy & stiff, probably a lot like the people of that period who actually lived there.
 
Their daily lives may have been dramatized, or "romanticized" if you'd rather, but they were, in essence, the same type of people from the period & place being portrayed.
 
These modern-day Hollywood westerns & 19th century-era horse operas are just too obsessed with appearance. I guess they figure that's what draws audiences. I guess they figure Americans only want to look at beautiful celebrities.
 
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Damn!  That poor dog in the picture is so skinny that one of those people ought to be SHOT for not letting him have more of the leftover carcases.
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