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    Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 9:27pm
Originally posted by hsolo1 hsolo1 wrote:

The worst offender....Ted Turner! He was one of the first to start butchering the old WB classics. One that stands out in my mind, Elmer Fudd (fat Elmer) is a Royal Canadian Mountie who is tasked with capturing Bugs Bunny.  After a series of misadventures, Elmer succeeds in landing Bugs who is put before a firing squad.  Bugs pleads with Elmer; "Doc, don't I even get a last wish?"  The request is granted and Bugs stands there for a moment, stroking his chin and saying...I wish, I wish, (and finally) I wish I was in Dixie, Hooray Hooray! as every last mountie in the firing squad morphs into a thick lipped caricature of a Steppin' Fetchit era Black man.  in the Turner era, the cartoon fades to black either after Bugs' last wish request, or just before he requests it.
My husband and I used to have(actually, it still might be around here someplace)a public-domain videocassette with that one and "All This And Rabbit Stew," which is one of WB's "Censored Eleven."
 
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Originally posted by Christine Christine wrote:

My husband and I went to see a presentation at the arts cinema re: old cartoons and the stereotypes within. Turns out they were simply not considered racist or anything until fairly recently. One cartoon was considered a masterpiece: Coal Black and the Seven..... Soldiers (? I forget the exact title), basically a version of Snow White with characters in Harlem.
 
The cartoon was created by black people, and while it's completely non-PC now, it was no different than poking fun at other nationalities, as was common. The cartoons reflected the politics of the times- Bugs Bunny shooting down Japs, in one pretty violent, racist cartoon; battling the Krauts in another. Those were a little more harsh, for obvious reasons!
 
There were even cartoons making fun of celebrities like Bing Crosby, portraying him (that is, a singer a LOT like him!) as a womanizer and a wife-beater- didn't go over so well with Crosby, who fought to have it destroyed or something.
 
Guess it does make sense to take the guns and the stereotypes out of children's fare......but ALL of it?? Even the original Grimm's Fairy Tales were gruesome and violent before being sanitized by Disney and the like- it was how kids learned the harsh realities of life in those times.

The cartoon was called "Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarves", which used black stereotypes at the time...except Coal Black didn't get drowsy by poisoned fried chicken.

Well...Bing Crosby sang a song called "Abraham" in "Holiday Inn"...in Blackface!Shocked

And probably the most violent children's book is called "Der Struwwelpeter" or in English...Shock-Headed Peter. In one story, a boy's thumbs gets cut-off!
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My husband and I went to see a presentation at the arts cinema re: old cartoons and the stereotypes within. Turns out they were simply not considered racist or anything until fairly recently. One cartoon was considered a masterpiece: Coal Black and the Seven..... Soldiers (? I forget the exact title), basically a version of Snow White with characters in Harlem.
 
The cartoon was created by black people, and while it's completely non-PC now, it was no different than poking fun at other nationalities, as was common. The cartoons reflected the politics of the times- Bugs Bunny shooting down Japs, in one pretty violent, racist cartoon; battling the Krauts in another. Those were a little more harsh, for obvious reasons!
 
There were even cartoons making fun of celebrities like Bing Crosby, portraying him (that is, a singer a LOT like him!) as a womanizer and a wife-beater- didn't go over so well with Crosby, who fought to have it destroyed or something.
 
Guess it does make sense to take the guns and the stereotypes out of children's fare......but ALL of it?? Even the original Grimm's Fairy Tales were gruesome and violent before being sanitized by Disney and the like- it was how kids learned the harsh realities of life in those times.
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Originally posted by MrCleveland MrCleveland wrote:

Originally posted by Tiz Tiz wrote:

Popeye had some "banned" toons that were made around the second world war. Japs & Nazis I guess were not PC.
Popeye and I even think Bugs Bunny had a few where they depicted natives on islands with rings in their noses and such.
Speedy Gonzales was one of the first to get pulled off-air. Couldn't depict our friends down south as lazy alcoholics, ya know.


My favorite Disney film is "The Three Caballeros"!

IMO-They won't show it on TV anymore because of the Hispanic/Latino Stereotypes...but the Brazilians really love Joe Carioca (He's the parrot BTW).
 
There were animated cartoons that were banned, too.  Like I-I-I-I, I em de Frito bandito.
 
 
 
 

And who can forget the Chinese Stereotypical Jell-O Commercial?

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The reason the current crop of Saturday Morning Cartoons and kids' shows in general seem to suck is simple, We grew up. We're not the audience they're geared toward anymore.
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Anymore the cartoons on Saturday morning are for the latest Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh or Hakidu card games.  That or just terrifically awful live action shows.  I don't have cable so I don't know if there is anything worth watching there on Saturdays.
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The worst offender....Ted Turner! He was one of the first to start butchering the old WB classics. One that stands out in my mind, Elmer Fudd (fat Elmer) is a Royal Canadian Mountie who is tasked with capturing Bugs Bunny.  After a series of misadventures, Elmer succeeds in landing Bugs who is put before a firing squad.  Bugs pleads with Elmer; "Doc, don't I even get a last wish?"  The request is granted and Bugs stands there for a moment, stroking his chin and saying...I wish, I wish, (and finally) I wish I was in Dixie, Hooray Hooray! as every last mountie in the firing squad morphs into a thick lipped caricature of a Steppin' Fetchit era Black man.  in the Turner era, the cartoon fades to black either after Bugs' last wish request, or just before he requests it.
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Originally posted by JasonTKD JasonTKD wrote:

Originally posted by TheDude22 TheDude22 wrote:

Once the Contemporary Golden Age of Video Gaming and popular movies arrived, obviously they made cartoons off of these movies and video games. And these cartoons are B.A.D BAD!


Except for this one, which was just awesome :



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Damn that brings back good memories, I remember an earlier version of Sonic The Hedgehog that was not as serious but done just as well. It didn't have Sally etc. in it. It just had Sonic and Tails in it.

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Originally posted by Asnotseenontv Asnotseenontv wrote:

Justice League and any DC Animated stuff is about it for me.


Yeah, most of the DC stuff IS pretty good. For example, "Batman: The Brave and the Bold" just keeps getting better and better (Man, "Chill of the Night" was an AWESOME ep....and the episode with the three Flashes wasn't bad either)
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Justice League and any DC Animated stuff is about it for me.
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When Clinton put fourth the Educational thing cartoons have sucked. I think a lot look cheap and try to push the boundary.... I miss my old school cartoons, being about to watch 60's and 70s cartoons before I got on the school bus and then seeng my fav 80s and then early teen 90s favs. One cartoon I love as an adult is the Ben 10 franchise.
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Originally posted by Tiz Tiz wrote:

Popeye had some "banned" toons that were made around the second world war. Japs & Nazis I guess were not PC.
<div sab="887">Popeye and I even think Bugs Bunny had a few where they depicted natives on islands with rings in their noses and such.
<div sab="887">Speedy Gonzales was one of the first to get pulled off-air. Couldn't depict our friends down south as lazy alcoholics, ya know.
This is getting into another subject, but I'm surprised they didn't pull the Japanese ones alone. This is a country that cannot seem to get enough of Nazis, in any area of entertainment. From what I understand, there were a lot of complaints when Speedy Gonzalez was pulled, and a whole lot of those complaints were from Hispanics, because they had no problem with him! (The same thing evidently happened when the Frito Bandito was removed from the Fritos ads.)


Don't forget about South Park. The Parents Television Council attempted to get the "Apologies with Jesse Jackson" off the air and inspire the African American community to protest. But guess what, most African Americans had NO problem with it. And trust me, the PTC was really pissed off.
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LOL I'd forgot about the Frito "bandito."
At the time, I never gave too much thought about these toons. Being (some what) grownup now I can see how they really pushed the edge on racism back then.
There is still a 'lively' discussion going on in the comments.Confused
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Originally posted by MrCleveland MrCleveland wrote:

Originally posted by Tiz Tiz wrote:

Popeye had some "banned" toons that were made around the second world war. Japs & Nazis I guess were not PC.
Popeye and I even think Bugs Bunny had a few where they depicted natives on islands with rings in their noses and such.
Speedy Gonzales was one of the first to get pulled off-air. Couldn't depict our friends down south as lazy alcoholics, ya know.


My favorite Disney film is "The Three Caballeros"!

IMO-They won't show it on TV anymore because of the Hispanic/Latino Stereotypes...but the Brazilians really love Joe Carioca (He's the parrot BTW).
 
There were animated cartoons that were banned, too.  Like I-I-I-I, I em de Frito bandito.
 
 
 
 
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How about this one?


 
Well, that was interesting.
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Tiz Tiz wrote:

Popeye had some "banned" toons that were made around the second world war. Japs & Nazis I guess were not PC.
Popeye and I even think Bugs Bunny had a few where they depicted natives on islands with rings in their noses and such.
Speedy Gonzales was one of the first to get pulled off-air. Couldn't depict our friends down south as lazy alcoholics, ya know.


This is getting into another subject, but I'm surprised they didn't pull the Japanese ones alone. This is a country that cannot seem to get enough of Nazis, in any area of entertainment.
From what I understand, there were a lot of complaints when Speedy Gonzalez was pulled, and a whole lot of those complaints were from Hispanics, because they had no problem with him! (The same thing evidently happened when the Frito Bandito was removed from the Fritos ads.)

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Cable expansion and buy ups (another congress act made this possible)This allowed for the birth of channels like more Disneys, Nicktoons, Cartoon Network etc.
I should also point out that while Nickelodeon, and Disney Channel were around during the 80's, they were still in their infancy, and cartoons were still shown on broadcast tv. Once the Children's Television Act started to kick in, cartoons were no longer profitable anymore, and the animation industry had to migrate to cable where the rules were less strict.
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Originally posted by TheDude22 TheDude22 wrote:

Once the Contemporary Golden Age of Video Gaming and popular movies arrived, obviously they made cartoons off of these movies and video games. And these cartoons are B.A.D BAD!


Except for this one, which was just awesome :



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Originally posted by Moochamoocha Moochamoocha wrote:

Boy, am I glad to have been a kid in the 80's. If I were a child now, I would be one bored, unhappy girl because the cartoons and toys they have now...just...plain...SUCK!!!

Oh yeah.  I'd also be bored as hell with the "girly" cartoons/shows; my cartoon list was something like this: Looney Tunes, Thundercats, Silverhawks, Dino Riders, Real Ghostbusters, Bucky O'Hare, G.I. Joe...it became a running joke that my grandmother would yell at me for not watching "appropriate" shows and then my grandfather would step in and tell her that there wasn't a law stating that girls had to watch My Little Pony LOL
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Originally posted by Tiz Tiz wrote:

Popeye had some "banned" toons that were made around the second world war. Japs & Nazis I guess were not PC.
Popeye and I even think Bugs Bunny had a few where they depicted natives on islands with rings in their noses and such.
Speedy Gonzales was one of the first to get pulled off-air. Couldn't depict our friends down south as lazy alcoholics, ya know.


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Popeye had some "banned" toons that were made around the second world war. Japs & Nazis I guess were not PC.
Popeye and I even think Bugs Bunny had a few where they depicted natives on islands with rings in their noses and such.
Speedy Gonzales was one of the first to get pulled off-air. Couldn't depict our friends down south as lazy alcoholics, ya know.
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The big censorship moment came in 1934 when the Hays Code was adopted.  It even affected a lot of cartoons, cleaning up some heretofore racy ones.  I once saw a Betty Boop cartoon in which Betty climbs a tree and a branch reaches up between her thighs and tickles her stuff.  She giggles.
 
Here's an old Felix the Cat cartoon in which Felix gets wasted on alcohol (and maybe something else, considering his hallucinations).
 
 
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I don't remember, but the blatant editing out of the punch lines of all the WB cartoons to make them kinder and gentler was the thing that caused me to write my first corporate complaint letter to ABC (I think) about this very issue of butchering those great classic cartoons, just to be PC. Well, not surprisingly, I received a very PC response to my letter. I'm sure the responder was brought up in a Doctor Spock household. UGH!!!Angry

That was in the very early 1970s, before anyone had VCRs at home, so there was absolutely no alternative way to see the uncut original toons.

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