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    Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 8:21pm
Yesterday there was a terrible shooting at Fort Hood in Texas. A military psychiatrist went on a shooting rampage and killed 11 people. He, in turn, was shot to death.

A few minutes ago, I found out that there was ANOTHER shooting spree, this time in a high-rise in Florida. As of this writing, six people are wounded and the gunman is still at large.

This is becoming a disturbing trend in our society. Both cases happened because of lost jobs. This rotten economy has driven people over the edge. You hear sad stories like this more often than not. The other day, I read about a father who killed his wife, two teenage children and then himself because of lack of work. CryCry

People are getting desperate and it's making me sad and scared. Who's to say something like that won't happen here? Unemployment is at an all time high, especially here in NYC. The building I work in has security but no metal detectors. Anyone can just walk in off the street and get on the elevators. I seem to recall an employee here who was let go on bad terms. We were told to alert security if he ever showed up. So far, he hasn't but you never know.

Times are tough for everyone but all this killing is not necessary. Innocent lives are being destroyed just because someone else lost their job. That's a bit selfish, don't you think?

Hey, I've been down and out. Late 2004/2005 was a particularly bad time for me. I lost so much that I've considered suicide but not homicide. But, by the grace of God and the love and support of my family, I got through it. And I'm sure the country will get through this rough patch, too. Hell, we've experienced terrorist attacks, devastating hurricanes and tornadoes, earthquakes and other catastrophes. But did we fall apart and throw in the towel? NO!

I know things look bleak but if anyone out there is approaching the brink of despair, take it from me...you're not alone. There is hope. Don't do anything rash. Things will get better.
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Moochie, Sweety...I'm suspecting it is simply 'nature's way' of correcting overpopulation...don't lose sleep over it; 'dodge the bullet', if you can - we need you. 
O.K.
That WAS 'tasteless'.
Truthfully? From MY perspective, we are 'paying the price' of being 'too nice', in too many ways. We, as a society some years back, let things happen in the name of basic humanity WITHOUT considering the logical possible visions of 'what could be'.
We let 'nature take its course'...and it has.
There are CERTAINLY 'corrections' to be made.
They will NOT come without pain.
 
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Originally posted by Moochamoocha


I know things look bleak but if anyone out there is approaching the brink of despair, take it from me...you're not alone. There is hope. Don't do anything rash. Things will get better.


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Originally posted by HollyRock

Originally posted by Moochamoocha


I know things look bleak but if anyone out there is approaching the brink of despair, take it from me...you're not alone. There is hope. Don't do anything rash. Things will get better.


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Just want to clear up a few statements.  The military psychiatrist had neither lost his job nor was he killed.
 
But, from what I understand, he's paralyzed.  Now, he'll have to live with what he did...every day for the rest of his life.
 
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Sorry.



LOLLOLLOLLOL DAMMIT Holly! This is a serious topic but you made me LOL with that picture of Gilly.
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Originally posted by Thor

Just want to clear up a few statements.  The military psychiatrist had neither lost his job nor was he killed.
 
But, from what I understand, he's paralyzed.  Now, he'll have to live with what he did...every day for the rest of his life.
 


He sort of did lose his job. He was being deployed, which he didn't want. Apparently, he wasn't doing a good job where he was so they were going to send him to Iraq or Afghanistan. He desperately didn't want to go so he did what he thought was logical - he killed a bunch of people and wound up dying himself (the reports I've read said that he was killed).
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Originally posted by Moochamoocha

Originally posted by Thor

Just want to clear up a few statements.  The military psychiatrist had neither lost his job nor was he killed.
 
But, from what I understand, he's paralyzed.  Now, he'll have to live with what he did...every day for the rest of his life.
 


He sort of did lose his job. He was being deployed, which he didn't want. Apparently, he wasn't doing a good job where he was so they were going to send him to Iraq or Afghanistan. He desperately didn't want to go so he did what he thought was logical - he killed a bunch of people and wound up dying himself (the reports I've read said that he was killed).
100% WRONG, MOOCHIE!!!
Sorry Sweetie - THIS WILL *NOT* BE NICE - but with ALL DUE RESPECTS - OUR OLDEST SON was deployed sometime back. THESE PSYCH FOLKS ARE REQUIRED! KIDS ARE BLOWING THEIR OWN BRAINS OUT!
THEY NEED THIS KIND OF HELP ON A DAILY BASIS! 
THEY DO NOT *REALLY* UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARE THERE - AND ***WE*** DIDN'T PREPARE *ANY* OF THEM!
THIS ***MONSTER*** IS SIMPLY ONE OF THE *WORST* POSSIBLE TERRORISTS I CAN IMAGINE! HE WAS IN DEALING* WITH OUR SOLDIERS!* THESE PSYCHOPATHIC EXTREMEST ISLAMICS ARE WORKING THE 'MENTAL ANGLE' (*my 'game'*) - and they have 'syphatically-wormed' their way right into our beloved YOUTH - and the MILITARY; they'll sacrifice OUR kids.
PERSONALLY, you know what *I* think...turn their WHOLE FRIGGIN' REGION INTO A PARKING LOT AND GET THIS OVER. Yes, I'm SICK of it.
Screw 'collateral damage'.

 

 

 
GET A GRIP ON WHAT THE F*CK IS GOING ON OVER THERE. IT ISN'T PRETTY.
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THEY DO NOT *REALLY* UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARE THERE
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Who does know why we're there?Confused
 
But anyway, it is beyond me why someone losing their job will take out their aggression on innocent coworkers.
I'm not a complete idiot, I'm missing a few parts.
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  (...) He desperately didn't want to go so he did what he thought was logical - he killed a bunch of people and (...)
That wouldn't be my first instinct if I was in that situation.  I'd run, go AWOL, hide, etc. (as I'm sure most other people would too.)  I'm sure his "reasons" will be known eventually (but they'll never justify what he did....)
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  (...) He desperately didn't want to go so he did what he thought was logical - he killed a bunch of people and (...)
That wouldn't be my first instinct if I was in that situation.  I'd run, go AWOL, hide, etc. (as I'm sure most other people would too.)  I'm sure his "reasons" will be known eventually (but they'll never justify what he did....)
NO S.H.I.T.!
This guy had worms rolling through his brains...and an alterior motive.
AND WE DIDN'T SEE IT - BUT...WE GAVE HIM RANK AND PUT HIM IN FRONT OF OUR CHILDREN WHO WE HAVE SENT TO DIE...OR TO END UP AS MENTALLY CONFUSED ADULTS.
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PERSONALLY, you know what *I* think...turn their WHOLE FRIGGIN' REGION INTO A PARKING LOT AND GET THIS OVER. Yes, I'm SICK of it.
Screw 'collateral damage'.

While that will never happen (at our hands, anyway)...y'know what?  That would solve a sh*tload of the world's problems.
 
 
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Originally posted by Thor

Just want to clear up a few statements.  The military psychiatrist had neither lost his job nor was he killed.
 
But, from what I understand, he's paralyzed.  Now, he'll have to live with what he did...every day for the rest of his life.
 
 
The reports are that he's in a coma.
 
I didn't hear anything about paralysis.
 
Either way, his life is over.
 
At best, he'll get life in Leavenworth.
 
 
 
 
Sometimes I wonder... "Why is that Frisbee getting bigger?" ...and then it hits me.
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PERSONALLY, you know what *I* think...turn their WHOLE FRIGGIN' REGION INTO A PARKING LOT AND GET THIS OVER. Yes, I'm SICK of it.
Screw 'collateral damage'.

While that will never happen (at our hands, anyway)...y'know what?  That would solve a sh*tload of the world's problems.
 
 
 
Emotional knee jerk reactions.
 
many people who've spent time in that region & lived there will tell you that most middle easterners (Iraqis, Afghanis) are among the nicest, friendliest, most gracious people you'll meet anywhere.
 
Would you really feel good about wiping them all out to temporarily solve a "problem"?
 
Where would the next "problem" be that eventually required wiping out & turning into a parking lot?
 
 
Sometimes I wonder... "Why is that Frisbee getting bigger?" ...and then it hits me.
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No.  No one will feel good about wiping them out.  That's why it's necessary for that entire region to get under control.  One way or the other.  Because the other other way will reeeeally suck for them.
 
Jimbo, it really is up to them.  All we can do is retaliate.  The ball's in their court.  That's why I laugh when I see our officials going to Iran to negotiate this or that.  Iran is where they want to be.  They hold the cards.  Why would they agree to negotiate with anyone?
 
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Where would the next "problem" be that eventually required wiping out & turning into a parking lot?
  
 
I duuno, but I'm pretty friggin' sure we could use a couple of more parking lots about the size of North Korea.
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Where would the next "problem" be that eventually required wiping out & turning into a parking lot?
  
 
I duuno, but I'm pretty friggin' sure we could use a couple of more parking lots about the size of North Korea.
 
You don't mean that.
 
 
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But, Pa!  Think of the children!
 
 
 
 
 
 
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No.  No one will feel good about wiping them out. 
 
Empty threats, Thor. There will be no wiping out unless they nuke us first.
 
That's why it's necessary for that entire region to get under control.  One way or the other.  Because the other other way will reeeeally suck for them.
 
It is utterly simplistic & unrealistic to think that there is any way to change the thinking of mass numbers of people into one way of thinking.
 
Jimbo, it really is up to them.  All we can do is retaliate. 
 
That's right. But there will be no mass wiping out unless they do it first. Bush's preemptive war was the most we'll ever do.
 
The ball's in their court.  That's why I laugh when I see our officials going to Iran to negotiate this or that.  Iran is where they want to be.  They hold the cards.  Why would they agree to negotiate with anyone?
 
There are several reasons. They know that can do themselves a lot of good in the long run if they get on our good side. They also know that if they ever use a nuke on us, that will be the end of all of them. The deterrent factor is built in.
 
 
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Sometimes I wonder... "Why is that Frisbee getting bigger?" ...and then it hits me.
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But, Pa!  Think of the children!
 
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Yea, o.k., fine.
Want me to think about them?
I think they are playing in the NEW "North 40".
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But, from what I understand, he's paralyzed.  Now, he'll have to live with what he did...every day for the rest of his life.
 
Paralyzed or not, if he is conscious he is eligible for the death penalty. I hope they put that sh*t on TV. In fact, put it on pay-per-view and pay for nationalized health care.
 
Originally posted by MrTim

That wouldn't be my first instinct if I was in that situation.  I'd run, go AWOL, hide, etc. (as I'm sure most other people would too.) 
 
Sorry- but this pisses me off. Speak for yourself, but don't presume you speak for "most" people.
 
Look, when we signed up we knew the danger. Being put into a battle situation was what we prepared for. I knew a lot of people who were scared to go into battle, hell- you had to be nuts not to be scared. But I never heard of a single person who ran away like a little bitch during my time in. Live or die, its what we enlisted for. And being in a scary, morally contradictory situation was exactly what a lot of us were. I was in a unit with a LOT of Arab/Muslim Americans, mostly from around my home area. Not ONE of them failed to perform their duties for their HOMELAND (America). None of them hid, or went AWOL. These men were firing shots at people they could have been related to.
 
If people had your mentality the Revolutionary War never would have happened, and we'd all be driving on the left side of the road.
 
Now, I know I've gone and done it again- I've angered a seniority poster who is probably friends with all the powers that be, and I don't care. Say what you will, get Holly to scold me again, have Mooch threaten me with physical violence again, have me banned, I really could care less at this point.
 
That was just coward-speak. MOST military personnel would NOT run away.
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I dunno, Richard.  I doubt you were ever at the point where you were preparing to commit a massacre on your fellow military personnel.  AWOL would've been better in this case.
 
However, I don't think that was the situation here.  Way too much evidence that this was purposeful and premeditated.  I don't think this was a simple case of someone who was "losing it" and who then snapped.
 
I can't imagine how there wouldn't be a psychological component behind any mass murder, but then, I don't subscribe to Islamism.  Considering the beliefs and the behaviors and that preceeded the killing, I can't imagine that this was much other than a failed suicide attack (aka homicide attack).  I'll bet that, if the guy has any regrets over what he did, it would be the fact that he lived through it.  But seeing as how military law experts are saying that the death penalty is probable, maybe he will get his wish.
 
I'd love to know what the Islamist terrorist organizations are saying about this.
 
 
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I took it to mean "anyone" (whether on the verge of massavre or not). Mea culpa.
 
However, as neither of us have ever been in that state of mind, how could any of us say that "running away" would even be an option in our mind?
 
And the fundie religious types have probably already named a jihadist training camp for him. I just hope he's ready to meet the 72 virgins they promised:
 
 
 
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