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HollyRock
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I like how Betty Rubble is gazing at those giant underpants. That's fun. |
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Tiz
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Dunno, I do remember being a 14-16 year old boy. Did you post bra & panty pics to get that guy to like you?
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DolFan 316
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HELL YEAH!!! PREACH AWN BRUTHA!!! Kinda makes all that yammering about it by feminists a bit of a joke, dontcha think? I mean, common sense alone would strongly suggest sexual harrassment is sexual harrassment no matter who's doing it but nobody's ever accused people today of having too much common sense... Then again I could just be another "hater" |
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Jimbo
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It's h8r.
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Thor
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I used to use the example of JFK Jr. How many women would consider his sexual advances to be harrassment? I guess I should update that, though.
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ToxicShock
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I'm not reading through 4 pages so forgive me if this has already been said, but a girl/woman/whoever should be free to post pictures (naked or otherwise) of themselves on the internet and not have to fear rape or sexual harassment.
Telling the girl it's "her fault" or that she "asked for it" is victim blaming and unnecessary. The blame needs to be put on the OFFENDER. A certain amount of being cautious and responsible for ones appearance/actions is important, yes. But saying "it was her fault for dressing so skimpy!" or "it was her fault for being drunk!" is disgraceful, and there is no excuse for that. In the case of this commercial, that girl is dumb as f**k for not realizing that her "naughty" pictures got out over the internet. In this example, both people are 'wrong'. She's wrong for being foolish about her pictures, but he's even more wrong for coming onto a child. |
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ToxicShock
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I don't know how many feminists you talk to, but the ones I know would be upset by sexual harassment no matter how good looking the person was - myself included. That common sense you spoke of is what I certainly have :) But perhaps that makes me a rare feminist compared to the ones you've encountered? |
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Jimbo
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It's a total lack of a sense of humor & an air of deathly self-seriousness that all feminists seem to have in common.
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Jimbo
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So, I guess if a girl decided it would be cool to smear raw ground beef all over herself & walk inside a pen full of hungry lions, getting eaten alive wouldn't be her fault either, eh?
Or, on a more plausible note, if she thought it would be cool to walk into an outlaw biker bar & strut around half naked, she wouldn't be considered to hold one shred of responsibility for anything that happened to her there, either.
Right?
Because as we all know, a woman should be able to wear anything she damn well pleases with no thought to the possible consequences, and any consequences she may suffer, will never be considered to be even partially her responsibility, even though she engaged in behavior that expopsed her to risk to begin with.
Right?
In any other area of life, all people, both men & women, are considered responsible for their own safety & well being. If you have unprotected sex with strangers & get aids, it will be considered your fault for engaing in risky behavior. Drive without your seat belt & get injured in a wreck, even your insurance company will successfully argue in court that you share some of the responsibility for your injuries. But when it comes to fashion choices & how a gal presents herself in public, whether by dressing in skimpy, revealing clothes or posting sexually suggestive pictures of herself online, suddenly reponsibility goes out the window & it's a ghastly social faux-pas to even hint that she may have brought something on herself by the choices she made.
Of course stalking or raping a woman is criminal & morally wrong. But that doesn't mean that it's just perfectly OK for women to exacerbate their chances by making themselves a target.
I don't think most women really understand what the sight of an attractive, nearly naked female does to a man with an active libido. Most men can control themselves, but some just can't. And those guys have eyes, too.
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HollyRock
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Jimbo
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I never read such an opinion ("her fault") posted here, & almost never hear it said anywhere else, although I'm sure it is. But it does sound like in one breath Toxic says that being cautious in one's appearance is important, but then in the next breath, she says that even if one didn't exercise such caution, assigning ANY fault or responsibility whatsoever to that person, is disgraceful & inexcusable.
It's just kind of a mixed message. On one hand, she agrees that personal responsibility is necessary, but on the other hand, when one fails to exercise said personal responsibility, the resulting consequences are not the fault of said person.
I'm just trying to ascertain how those two views can be reconciled into one.
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Prometheus
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Why is it cute to show a naked toddler, and a felony to show a naked toddler sitting on your knee? Why do they show baby-ass in diaper commercials, but to see a woman's butt on tv is irreconcilably offensive? Why can we see man-boobs (when most of us would rather not), yet woman-boobs are grotesquely-damaging for a child to see? Why? Evangelisticals are so confused, they don't even really know how to tell us how to live, but they do anyway. Not surprising that nothing on man or baby is sacred, considering the typical controversy surrounding them. |
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musicman
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The way I see it, it isn't about placing blame anywhere. The attachment of blame is quite irrelevant. It's about helping young girls, some naive, some not, not increase the potential of harm coming to them because of some perv.
Unfortunately, countless numbers of young girls are victimized by predators due to no fault what-so-ever of their own. Some by their own family members.
The basic message of the PSM is to encourage young girls not to throw gasoline on the fire.
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ToxicShock
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"A certain amount of being cautious and responsible for ones appearance/actions is important, yes. But saying "it was her fault for dressing so skimpy!" or "it was her fault for being drunk!" is disgraceful, and there is no excuse for that." I really don't understand what's difficult to comprehend from that sentence. Personal responsibility is important in a variety of situations, absolutely. Everyone - male, female, child, adult - should be respectful of themselves, and careful. Always. But sometimes that's not enough. There are certain situations where personal responsibility has nothing to do with their attack. Like the child who was molested by her Uncle. Just shouldn't have gone over to Uncle Bob's house then? Is it stupid and irresponsible for someone to get super drunk or high or do anything else to the point where they become extremely vulnerable to personal harm? Absolutely. That goes for anything, not just rape and sexual assaults. Nice fallacies you used though. Props for that.
Yes. If your mother/daughter/sister/female friend were to wear a short skirt and a sexy top and get raped one night, would you still say it's her fault for wearing a low-cut shirt? Or that she was asking for it? Or that she was responsible for her attack, perhaps?
How does a woman make herself a target? By wearing a short skirt? What is your fool-proof way to prevent rape? By never wearing a short skirt? You are saying that if a woman dresses provocatively, any assault that happens to her is HER fault and HER responsibility, when it was the ATTACKER who made the choice to assault her.
There is something seriously wrong with someone who rapes and assaults people. Like you said, the average man will not act on those thoughts/impulses. This tells me that the person who is doing the attacking is very sick indeed. You've almost got the idea, but you drop the ball too soon. Active libido or not, that's no excuse for assaulting or raping a woman (or anyone else for that matter). EVER. Here, I'll help you out with a few links of interest: http://rapesurvivor.pbworks.com/Victim-blaming http://scienceblogs.com/bioephemera/2009/07/telegraph_blame_the_rape_victi.php http://www.pandys.org/articles/selfblameandsurvivors.html "Only one person makes the choice to rape. There are things we can (and should!) do to protect ourselves, but the only person who can prevent rape is the rapist him or herself. Bad decisions, neutral decisions, good decisions; to me it doesn't matter. We should be able to live our lives, we should be able to trust our family and our neighbors. Rapists should not rape. Period." I'm done with this. I've made my point quite clear and if you still don't get it, that's your problem. All bitterness and anger aside, I really encourage you to read and go through the links I provided, maybe even read some rape survivor stories. I hope that it will change some of your thoughts on this topic, and that you will exercise some empathy when judging the assault/harassment of others. |
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DolFan 316
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Sorry for taking so long to reply. And yes, it does. I think a lot of the blame BTW should go to whoever came up with the attitude of, "I'll put myself out there and act like I'm available, but then act all indignant when the 'wrong' guy takes me up on it". This is NOT condoning rape, I'm just saying if a young lady (or a middle aged one ) only wants one type of guy, then go ahead and let the world know. Just say so. That way the rest of us male rabble can move on with our lives |
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Jimbo
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It's sad when you can't carry on an intelligent conversation with some people without them getting all snotty about it.
Oh well.....
But I find it humorous that keep insinuating that I somehow "don't get it", when you're the one who doesn't "get it".
You make it sound like I'm somehow excusing the act of rape, when I'm not. But I will state categorically, any woman who goes out to nightclubs by herself or even with another girl or group of girls, dressed in an ultra short, tight-fitting skirt with a plunging neckline showing off a lot of cleavage & wearing what Amy Winehouse referred to in song as "Fuck Me Pumps", then spends the evening hanging out & flirting with strange men, is putting herself in a dangerous situation. And if something bad happens to her, while it might not be technically "her fault", SHE BEARS A PORTION OF THE RESPONSIBILITY for doing all the things that put her in that situation.
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FaithSF
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While I certainly don't condone rape or assaut, and while I've always felt that it wasn't a woman's fault because of the way she was dressed, I have to say that in the last approximately 10 years, I have really fought with myself over this. The way women have been dressing, with the belly shirts and low-rise pants (which, thank God, seem to be going away now), the "whale tails," etc., I have occasionally wondered whether they were not--unknowingly--"asking for it."
I know that sounds terrible, but girls seem to not understand the potential repercussions of the way they dress and the way they put themselves out there. And I don't know what the answer is, because parents can tell their daughters that they look like tramps, but if everyone else was dressing that way, they won't listen. Another mom who was on the PTA board with me when David was in high school told me that you couldn't FIND any pants that weren't low-risers, and she said it was really difficult, because her daughter did not have the body for these clothes--and how do you tell her that without hurting her feelings? I've also heard that teenagers (high school and probably junior high) are now having oral sex so casually that it's almost like a good-night kiss. That is just so incredible to me, because to me oral sex is even MORE intimate than intercourse. And I have family back East who are high school teachers, telling me that it's now a status symbol for the girls to get pregnant and have babies--while in high school! I asked if this was lower income kids, and they said NO--it's affluent kids, it's all kids. I was floored by this. Between all this information and the girls like "Sarah" who post intimate pictures of themselves, I feel like society has really bottomed out. Sorry for the long-winded post, but what I'm trying to say is that girls may not realize what they are doing is so wrong, if that's what their whole society is doing. Men need to keep themselves under control. Yes, it's hard. Yes, these girls are throwing sex in their faces. But I still can't say that assailants aren't totally responsible for their actions. I think the commercial is good. I agree totally with MM's post:
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Jimbo
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Great post.
IMO You were right on the two major points.... the bulk of the responsibility lies with the assailant or attacker, but a lot of women are throwing sex in guys' faces & thereby putting themselves at undue risk.
The very point I was trying to make.
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I completely agree Faith, but it's not just high school kids. Basically anyone who's been in a semi serious relationship, but not married want to have kids together, like it's a symbol of how much they're in love. What happened to just buying a puppy? It doesn't matter if they don't have enough money themselves to get by or if they don't have enough space for a family, it's just baby first, money and house second. Little do they know once you HAVE a baby, money and house aren't always easy to come by. I get looked at like the odd man out because I'm married and just bought a house and I don't have kids yet by all my baby making friends who have not been married long or aren't married at all. Well gee whiz, I guess I'm the dumb one for wanting to finish my education first! I've only got another little over a year to go, and HELLO I'm only 21 for God sakes. |
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If this PSA was set 20 years ago, it would have been about Sarah's Polaroid pics being passed around....
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I know, Heza, and when I went to my five-year high school reunion (in 1978), there were TWO of us women who were not yet either engaged or married with kids. But I'm talking about teens who are in high school. That used to be unthinkable! And it's stupid! |
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True, MrTim. Except that it was a rare occurrence, unlike what seems to be going on today, with kids "texting" their nude pictures to each other! |
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Oh, women dress the way they do and go bar hopping because they want to get laid all right, but only by the "right" guy. Problem is, they expect *everybody else* to somehow know this, even though humans are not telepathic.
As far as the behavior in general of kids today, people should've thought of that when the so-called "Sexual Revolution" started 40 years ago. (A pretentious as hell title when you consider the people starting it were products of a literal record number of pregnancies, which of course meant their parents were having tons of sex, but without making a huge deal out of it and in the context of loving relationships which I guess meant their sex somehow didn't count and they were actually prudes or something Then again these were the same people who made abortion legal without even considering how much fewer in number they'd be if their parents had been all for it. Good lord Baby Boomers were stupid sometimes.) But my point is, when you glamorize sex for sex's sake and paint everyone who doesn't have it by age 16 at the latest a complete loser, you lose the right to be shocked that your 12-year old daughter is giving blowjobs to all her classmates. Because honestly, what else did you expect? Sex is like alcohol, it's downright foolish to think people are going to do it in moderation or do it responsibly. |
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FaithSF
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But, hey, it's just my opinion. |
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Seriously.
What was the point in bringing up abortion?
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