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    Posted: 11 Jul 2008 at 12:17am
Now that VH-1 has gone the way of MTV and has virtually nothing to do with music anymore.... 
 
I loved BTM, and watching my adolescent heroes' stories of hedonism, insanity and sad, drugged out implosion and wretched excess.  Every once in a while they trot out an episode, like Ratt or something, and I just eat it up. 
 
Maybe the bands since Nirvana are such bland, inoffensive one hit wonders that BTMs on them would be pointless. 
 
Ah, well.
 
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I don't really miss BTM.  Because BTM by virtue of it's name focused primarily on the lives of the musicians rather than the music of the musicians. 
For me it was basically a tabloid gossip show about how screwed up the lives of the musicians were and in some cases what lead to their eventual death.
 
What I do like, however, is the DVD Classic Album series that focuses on the making of certain Classic albums. 
I have the Dark Side of the Moon one.  It's great. 
I'd like to see more stuff like that instead.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by musicman musicman wrote:

I don't really miss BTM.  Because BTM by virtue of it's name focused primarily on the lives of the musicians rather than the music of the musicians. 
For me it was basically a tabloid gossip show about how screwed up the lives of the musicians were and in some cases what lead to their eventual death.
 
What I do like, however, is the DVD Classic Album series that focuses on the making of certain Classic albums. 
I have the Dark Side of the Moon one.  It's great. 
I'd like to see more stuff like that instead.
 
I like both, but even when they did show BTM it was the same ones over and over. I could just about narrate the Def Leppard episode myself word for word. There were a bunch of them made, but they showed some of them once and that was it. The album series needs to expand. I love Who's Next,  but I have seen it enough already.  Some of them seem rather pedestrian, but I did like the Dark Side of the Moon and Machine Head episodes.
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I do miss "Behind the Music", and here is why.  Because I really was interested in "Three Dog Night"....and I really was interested in "Lynyrd Skynyrd" and "Journey"...and because those bands that were being covered came from a time when they struggled to become American icons....I loved watching the drug addictions and the self-destruction only because what came out of it all was the soundtrack to, not only my life, but to hundreds of thousands of young Americans who will never really get to know about guts and glory. Looking back, the great American Rock and Roll Story was told through that great show....THE GREAT AMERICAN ROCK AND ROLL STORY....that gives some of us so many memories....they deserved those observations.  The musicians that came up through the '60's , the '70's, even the '50's and maybe even the '80's deserve to have their story be told.  They weren't manufactured.  All that music, which for the  most part, BTM, focused on, came based on a time when musicians were musicians and made it through based on their talent.  Behind The Music disappeared because eventually the big news was someone burned their ear on a curling iron before the show.  I wanted to hear about Ritchie Valens....because his music made an imprint, when he was here and long after he was gone.  I wanted to hear about Marvin Gaye. And what his inspiration was for that song.  Eventually, we've become what we've become.  Justin Timberlake. I like him.  But gone are the days of Greg Allman sitting at home in Alabama writing music at his piano...and gone are the days of Lou Reed....all that stuff...and Littlefeat...and singer/songwriters.  It's become a slickly packaged industry...That is where we are.  When Amy Winehouse who may or may not live till her next concert, is the only thing in music, the ONLY NEW VOICE...OUT OF A THOUSAND.....WHO CAN'T PLAY IN THE STATES who is reminiscent of an earlier time...THE ONLY ONE....who is doing something new..with her soulful voice..and we are drooling over her...what does that say?  Chris Daughtry pens a song that anyone could have wrote about going home...a song that I KNOW sounds just like any song I heard in the early '90's, is rockin the charts....don't get me wrong, good for him, but "Im going home, to a place where I belong...and basically pens an anthem that the record industry tells him it can't go wrong,...and JonBonGiovi gets away with "Have a Nice Day".... I know I am rambling but Skerl...this is a great topic and obviously one I an passionate about...and one I never thought about until you mentioned it.....the last great songwriter I think and bear with me was Axl Rose...and Eddie Vedder.. And of course Kurt Cobain.  To me that was the end of American Rock and Roll... That was the last time I can think of anyone who provoked my thoughts or just pure adrenaline...after that it was who could overdose the quickest and make headlines. There will never be another British Invasion...or music so pure like THE NEW YORK DOLLS...its over.  There will never be another Mick Jagger..never be another John Lennon...Steven Tyler....another Ron Wood or Keith Richards or Robert Plant or Jimmy Page, or Elvis...and there will never be another Behind the Music that can speak so eloquently of the musicians who provided a soundtrack to such a time in American culture, when it didn't matter what you looked like, it mattered what you sounded like and what you meant to us.
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So true. There are few bands that truely care anymore. The only genre that seems to have musicians that care about their music anymore is the Progressive rock genre. (And that genre has always been pro-music).

We're reaching a time where everything is just reaching a  pure crash in the music industry. I predict a music industry crash in the next 10 years, if things keep going up. Remember the video game crash of 1984? Its because most of the games were the same, and people generally lost intrest. Now sure, you could say that Video Games were not a big industry in the early 1980s, but do think the music industry will crash if they don't get their act together.

The reason why I love bands like Dream Theater is that they don't want ther music to be ruined, and they don't care if people don't like it. (Like when they had to use a producer on Falling Into Infinity,  and the album has the worst Dream Theater song on it (You Not Me, ew), and then they threatened the label to give them complete control of the band. The got it, due to the poor sales of FiI compared to the albums "Images and Words" and "Awake".) Once Dream Theater had full control of the band, they would create one of the best albums in the Progressive Rock/Metal genre, Metropolis Part 2: Scenes from a Memory.

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Originally posted by Hafk Hafk wrote:

So true. There are few bands that truely care anymore. The only genre that seems to have musicians that care about their music anymore is the Progressive rock genre. (And that genre has always been pro-music)

 
Originally posted by britastar britastar wrote:

I do miss "Behind the Music", and here is why...
 
 
 
I wonder if rock music is over when the best stuff out there is either "reminiscent" of an earlier time (Winehouse and the Fratellis, for example), or it's the prog-rock stuff that's more in the avant-garde/classical/experimental style than it is in the rock tradition (I'm thinking Mars Volta here).
 
While I have CDs by the artists I mentioned above---and I like them---they really aren't helping keep rock music alive.  They may have some of the sounds of rock, but then again, so does modern-day country music.  My regard for them is mainly some sort of intellectual appreciation, rather than a visceral excitement as it used to be when rock was in its infancy and youth, from the 50's through the 70's.  The Fratellis may sound like T Rex, but they simply are not T Rex.
 
Sadly, it seems that the most rebellious music these days is rap.
 
 
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Dream Theater rocks.
 
Brita, although we have totally different tastes in music, I absolutely agree that music has sucked for a good ten years.  Rock died with Cobain, and we have nothing left but one "hit" wonder blands, with too many whiny, mewling emo-tards with accoustics.   What I hear on the radio is completely interchangeable, none of the voices are unique or memorable, nobody can actually PLAY guitar anymore.   
 
Rock used to be fun.  Diamond Dave singing about nailing teachers.  Hagar couldn't drive 55.  Ozzy reveled in being crazy.   Now, it's a deadly serious, overwrought chore for these poor babies to cry all over the microphone.....
 
And, yeah.  Who wants to go behind the music of THAT mess?
 
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Originally posted by Skerlnik Skerlnik wrote:

Dream Theater rocks.
 
Brita, although we have totally different tastes in music, I absolutely agree that music has sucked for a good ten years.  Rock died with Cobain, and we have nothing left but one "hit" wonder blands, with too many whiny, mewling emo-tards with accoustics.   What I hear on the radio is completely interchangeable, none of the voices are unique or memorable, nobody can actually PLAY guitar anymore.   
 
Rock used to be fun.  Diamond Dave singing about nailing teachers.  Hagar couldn't drive 55.  Ozzy reveled in being crazy.   Now, it's a deadly serious, overwrought chore for these poor babies to cry all over the microphone.....
 
And, yeah.  Who wants to go behind the music of THAT mess?
 
 
This is where age plays a major factor.  I thought Nirvana (and Cobain) actually helped kill rock.  That style seemed joyless and self-absorbed to me.  Never could get into it.  It seemed like it was specifically NOT meant for people my age.  I was about 35 at the time.
 
And while the 80's hair bands really were rock and roll, they were also doomed from the start.  They were mostly just fun one-dimensional party-type bands.  Where does a party band go after the party is over?  To KC and the Sunshine Band-ville?  Some can go on momentum, I guess, but not many.  What does a Motley Crue do when they're 50?  Even the great Van Halen is really no more than an oldies band that goes on oldies revival tours these days (not that I wouldn't want to see them, though!)
 
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This is where age plays a major factor.  I thought Nirvana (and Cobain) actually helped kill rock.  That style seemed joyless and self-absorbed to me.  Never could get into it.  It seemed like it was specifically NOT meant for people my age.  I was about 35 at the time. 
 
Actually, I agree.  The grunge thing certainly slammed the lid on the 80s era stuff.   But, after that faded out, nothing has really turned up to replace it, nothing's moved anything forward.  Nirvana was notable not so much for the music (which I can't say I cared for), but for being a genre shaking paradigm shift.
 
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And while the 80's hair bands really were rock and roll, they were also doomed from the start.  They were mostly just fun one-dimensional party-type bands.  Where does a party band go after the party is over?  To KC and the Sunshine Band-ville?  Some can go on momentum, I guess, but not many.  What does a Motley Crue do when they're 50?  Even the great Van Halen is really no more than an oldies band that goes on oldies revival tours these days (not that I wouldn't want to see them, though!)
 
Some of them old 80s hair metal bands have had a bit of a renaissance, lately, as more people my age hear absolutely nothing interesting out there.  Every time Iron Maiden comes to Phoenix or Tucson, I am so there.  Cool
 
What I miss most in rock, other than a sense of fun, is the art of the shred.  You can hate the music, but you have to admit some of those old hair metal guitar gods could flat-out PLAY.  Nowadays, the guitar is almost an afterthought.   Even Metallica has abandoned solos. 
 
And yeah, the 80s were all about excess, which makes for hilarious viewing!  Who the hell wants to watch a documentary on the Verve or John Mayer moping around?
 
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Originally posted by Skerlnik Skerlnik wrote:

 
And yeah, the 80s were all about excess, which makes for hilarious viewing!  Who the hell wants to watch a documentary on the Verve or John Mayer moping around?
 
 
That would come right after suicide on my list of things to do.
 
 
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

What does a Motley Crue do when they're 50? 
 
They write books about their drug days and populate bad reality shows (oops, that's redundant).
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

What does a Motley Crue do when they're 50? 
 
They write books about their drug days and populate bad reality shows (oops, that's redundant).
 
And doubtlessly, there's a bar somewhere in Iowa that wants to book them.
 
 
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

 
or it's the prog-rock stuff that's more in the avant-garde/classical/experimental style than it is in the rock tradition (I'm thinking Mars Volta here).
 
 
 
 
 
 
Wait...you like the Volta??  For some reason that strikes me as being out-of-the-blue.
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They're pretty good.  I have the Frances the Mute CD.  Also have another modern prog-rock CD.  It's by a band called Sleepytime Gorilla Museum of Natural History.  Interesting stuff.  Also, Messer Chups.  They're a Russian instrumental band whose sound is a combo of 50's science fiction, 40's noir, porn, avant-garde, jazz, spaghetti western, surf, techno, garage.  You oughta check 'em out.  Totally different: 
 
Messer Chups---Sex, Euro, and Evil's Pop
 
 
But don't be surprised.  My musical taste ranges from Easy Listening to European polkas to doo-Wop to acid rock to metal to punk to country.  Pretty eclectic, I must say.
 
 
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Well, that video was...certainly out of the ordinary.  Pretty good music though.  I'm going to check those guys out.

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Originally posted by JimA JimA wrote:

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What does a Motley Crue do when they're 50? 
 
They write books about their drug days and populate bad reality shows (oops, that's redundant).
 
And doubtlessly, there's a bar somewhere in Iowa that wants to book them.
 
 
When they aren't fighting other has beens like Kid Rock.
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