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    Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 11:28pm
A commercial I saw today for the Gun Violence Ad Council says that "x% of kids will be victims of gun violence", which they mean either being killed, or participate in it or whatever. They then proceed to show police cars and hearses driving down a nice little neighborhood street, and every so often a kid will get in the Hearse or one will get in the police car, or a mother will turn around and the kid has vanished. They then cut to the mother of each kid absolutely BAWLING.

It has got to be the worst commercial I have seen in a long time, and being a member here, that's saying a lot :)
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I haven't seen it, but it sounds like a commercial that will only preach to the choir.  No commercial is going to change the mind of anyone who believes that they have a right to carry a gun anywhere. 

Hell, being SHOT didn't even sway Ronald Reagan about gun control.
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Whenever I go gold mining, my buddy Charlie carries a handgun.  The 1,200 acre plot of woods and streams and hills is private property, but Mexican pot growers and meth manufacturers squat there, and do NOT want any interference.  Whenever he hears any sound that's not nature, he grabs the gun.
 
Also, some friends in Walnut Creek want to teach their kids how to use a weapon.  One of them goes to UC Berkeley, and lives in the town of, and may very well need one.  Lotta crime there.  He's been hassled once or twice already.
 
I have no problem with responsible people owning firearms.  If I lived in a bad area of town, I'd probably have one, too.
 
 
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Whenever I go gold mining, my buddy Charlie carries a handgun.  The 1,200 acre plot of woods and streams and hills is private property, but Mexican pot growers and meth manufacturers squat there, and do NOT want any interference.  Whenever he hears any sound that's not nature, he grabs the gun.
 
Also, some friends in Walnut Creek want to teach their kids how to use a weapon.  One of them goes to UC Berkeley, and lives in the town of, and may very well need one.  Lotta crime there.  He's been hassled once or twice already.
 
I have no problem with responsible people owning firearms.  If I lived in a bad area of town, I'd probably have one, too.
 
 


Yes, for self-protection, I could see having a gun, especially in the first instance and the last.  Carrying one in Berkeley may not be the brightest idea.


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Here's a statistical fact for you, 100% of children will die at some point in their life. OH GOD, WE'RE LITERALLY ALL GOING TO DIE!
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

 
I have no problem with responsible people owning firearms.  If I lived in a bad area of town, I'd probably have one, too.
 


Trust me.  You live in a city like Memphis for even a short time, you will see the need to always carry a gun.  I've had quite a few guns flashed at me while driving around, for the most of them, there was no cause for it.  The other times was due to rapidly escalating road rage on both our parts.
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Dude was walking home(in a 'good' part of town) in the middle of the day.  Was jumped and beaten nearly to death.   They got a way with a few bucks.

There was a shootout through several major streets today.
Just checked the news site,  looks like there was just another triple shooting.

---Sorry about going off on that tangent


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Woah. Thor, you're a crazy ol' prospector?
I wanna hunt for gold!

That's awesome.

I visit my sister in Alaska a lot and we always talk of going panning up there. My brother in law knows some local guys as he does a lot of bush work so he meets more "colorful" Alaskans. You know, the off the grid types.
They always tell him where stuff is that tourists and Anchorageites don't bother or know to visit.

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My dad is an econ geologist who specializes in ore deposits. This is what all of our "vacations" were like when I was a kid. 
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Originally posted by jeroboam jeroboam wrote:

Woah. Thor, you're a crazy ol' prospector?
I wanna hunt for gold!

That's awesome.

I visit my sister in Alaska a lot and we always talk of going panning up there. My brother in law knows some local guys as he does a lot of bush work so he meets more "colorful" Alaskans. You know, the off the grid types.
They always tell him where stuff is that tourists and Anchorageites don't bother or know to visit.



 
I've gone panning*, dredging, and detecting, jeroboam.  Dredging's your best bet for actually finding gold, but it's a lot of work.  Okay, actually blasting holes in mountains and setting up a whole gold mining operation is your best bet, but dredging's your next best bet.
 
It's really more some friends' operation.  I enjoy it, but have few expectations.  Still, you never know!
 
But yeah, Alaska's another good destination for that sort of thing, too.  And if you're really ambitious, I guess you could try finding the Lost Dutchman gold mine.
 
*When I've gone panning, I've invariably found a lot of old nails, railroad spikes, and even flasks belonging to the gold miners and mines of the 1800's.  That's kind of cool in itself.
 
 
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See I admit I would probably get all giddy over those artifacts as much as 40 bucks in gold dust.

Who knows, I will really have to look further in to it.
There is a family legend that my great uncle ozzy found gold here in Washington state when he was hunting and he even had some nuggets, but he didn't own the land.
I know where it was supposed to have been found, but now it's all built up with McMansions up there, so any gold that was there was found and gone, or not found and under a 2 million dollar home's patio or something.

He was the same great uncle who died in prison (wrote bad checks) and held up a still that inadvertantly was run by a local sheriff.
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I have seen that commercial and I hate it.  I do not want to think about death, yet they show me that. 

I would probably be happy that I found the older things of the miners beforehand.
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More agenda driven fear mongering. So far the only thing gun control laws have succeeded in doing is making more for law abiding citizens to jump through. The reality you're not going to legislate people into morality. Criminals only strike those they think they have an advantage over. If they don't have guns they'll use knives. If not knives, blunt objects. If not blunt objects then either brute strength or shear numbers.  
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Originally posted by jeroboam jeroboam wrote:


I have the rifle.

 
And you may need to use it if you ever find a good goldmining spot.  Hey, this is still the wild West in some ways, isn't it?
 
 
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It's a cool little rifle. Single shot, breech  .22
It was my was great grandpa's. So it could easily be from the late 19th century.
I used to shoot it a lot but the breech loading sticks and won't spring back sometimes so I put it away.

One of those guns best left admired I think, considering the history and the fact that it was probably a run of mill low end my grandpa to kill rats or something.


Update: Just looked, if anyone cares, it's a Remington Model 4 short long.
They were made from 1890-1933. Mine is from the 20s I guess. So not as old as I suspected but still fits in with the stories.
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Yeah, my dad used to carry when we would go out to some of the places in Nevada. That is one lawless state.
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Originally posted by jeroboam jeroboam wrote:

It's a cool little rifle. Single shot, breech  .22
It was my was great grandpa's. So it could easily be from the late 19th century.
I used to shoot it a lot but the breech loading sticks and won't spring back sometimes so I put it away.

One of those guns best left admired I think, considering the history and the fact that it was probably a run of mill low end my grandpa to kill rats or something.


Update: Just looked, if anyone cares, it's a Remington Model 4 short long.
They were made from 1890-1933. Mine is from the 20s I guess. So not as old as I suspected but still fits in with the stories.
 
Keep it oiled and it'll last forever. I don't remember what model this is(w/o going to look) but Granddad engraved "1942" into the end of the buttstock.
We found a Colt Model 1932 32. ACP and a Colt 1945 45.ACP both wrapped in cheese cloth
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We found a Colt Model 1932 32. ACP and a Colt 1945 45.ACP both wrapped in cheese cloth
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I went through my father's drawers after he died.  Only kept ones that were still in their package.
 
 
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Yeah, my dad used to carry when we would go out to some of the places in Nevada. That is one lawless state.
 
As is Nevada County, California---which is right next to the property where we go gold dredging.  Lotta drug activity---pot farms, meth labs, etc.---and a lotta sex offenders and other sordid ex-cons.
 
 
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Originally posted by yutolia yutolia wrote:

Yeah, my dad used to carry when we would go out to some of the places in Nevada. That is one lawless state.
 
As is Nevada County, California---which is right next to the property where we go gold dredging.  Lotta drug activity---pot farms, meth labs, etc.---and a lotta sex offenders and other sordid ex-cons.
 
 


Thor, are you sure you're not talking about San Francisco?  We have all of that here, too--except the pot farms are inside houses. LOL
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Good point, Faith!  LOL
 
And just like bears sh*t in the woods, some people in SF sh*t between parked cars.
 
 
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Originally posted by DirtyD79 DirtyD79 wrote:

More agenda driven fear mongering. So far the only thing gun control laws have succeeded in doing is making more for law abiding citizens to jump through. The reality you're not going to legislate people into morality. Criminals only strike those they think they have an advantage over. If they don't have guns they'll use knives. If not knives, blunt objects. If not blunt objects then either brute strength or shear numbers.  
 
Poor little law abiding gun owners. Having to fill out more paperwork. What a horrible  injustice!!! What an unconscionable inconvenience!!! Parish the the thought than an American citizen might be....... <<gasp!!!!!>>......... 
 
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One can only imagine if guns were rare, the number of drive by clubbings & stabbings we'd be hearing about. Little kids inside their homes at night being killed when some thug drove by & tried to club a rival gang member from the window of his car & a splinter flew off the club, pierced the wall of the kid's house & struck him in the head. And all those 9mm semi automatic knives that they can just point at someone & mow down innocent bystanders all the way across the street. And let's not forget the road rage incidents where someone is driving down the freeway & somebody in another car gets mad about something then pulls out a knife or a club & hollers at them to please pull over somewhere so they can knife or club them.
 
Oh the carnage.
 
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

 
Originally posted by yutolia yutolia wrote:

Yeah, my dad used to carry when we would go out to some of the places in Nevada. That is one lawless state.
 
As is Nevada County, California---which is right next to the property where we go gold dredging.  Lotta drug activity---pot farms, meth labs, etc.---and a lotta sex offenders and other sordid ex-cons.
 
Must be those "trend setting" Californians you were talking about, eh? Wink
 
 
 
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Originally posted by yutolia yutolia wrote:

Yeah, my dad used to carry when we would go out to some of the places in Nevada. That is one lawless state.
 
I realize this is nit-picky as hell, but wouldn't it be more like "one law breaking state?"
 
Because I'm pretty sure they have laws..... probably just hardly anyone obeys em. Wink
 
 
 
 
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